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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there has never been an absolute right. Look at any of the bill of rights and any subsequent rights there is no right that is absolute</description>
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		<title>By: John M. Stassi</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M. Stassi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Dec 2012 19:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....” 

― Noam Chomsky, The Common Good</description>
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<p>― Noam Chomsky, The Common Good</p>
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		<title>By: kristi</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina,

When someone tries (God forbid) to break into your home and cause you, or your family harm in the process of comititng their crime--whom do you call? 911. Why? Police have guns. 

It&#039;s not about gun loving or gun toting; it&#039;s about this: if you allow your government to take away your right to bear arms as accorded to you under the US Constitution&#039;s Second Amendment--what else are you willing to allow them to take? Your 3rd Amendment: Prohibits the forced quartering of soldiers during peacetime? Would you allow forced quartering in your home of soldiers? How about your 5th Amendment--Sets out rules for indictment by grand jury and eminent domain, protects the right to due process, and prohibits self-incrimination and double jeopardy--would you give up these rights? Or how about your 19th Amendment: Establishes women&#039;s suffrage. Would you allow your government to trample your rights as a woman simply because your government thought it was in the best interest of &quot;We The People&quot;? I bet not. So why should ANY American give up their accorded rights as laid forth by the 2A? Do you see the slippery slope here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina,</p>
<p>When someone tries (God forbid) to break into your home and cause you, or your family harm in the process of comititng their crime&#8211;whom do you call? 911. Why? Police have guns. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about gun loving or gun toting; it&#8217;s about this: if you allow your government to take away your right to bear arms as accorded to you under the US Constitution&#8217;s Second Amendment&#8211;what else are you willing to allow them to take? Your 3rd Amendment: Prohibits the forced quartering of soldiers during peacetime? Would you allow forced quartering in your home of soldiers? How about your 5th Amendment&#8211;Sets out rules for indictment by grand jury and eminent domain, protects the right to due process, and prohibits self-incrimination and double jeopardy&#8211;would you give up these rights? Or how about your 19th Amendment: Establishes women&#8217;s suffrage. Would you allow your government to trample your rights as a woman simply because your government thought it was in the best interest of &#8220;We The People&#8221;? I bet not. So why should ANY American give up their accorded rights as laid forth by the 2A? Do you see the slippery slope here?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 17:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina - Every state but IL has carry laws of one sort or another.  There have NEVER been a problem caused by it.

People who legally carry are responsible gun owners.  It&#039;s the illegals you need to worry about.  We all need to worry about them.

Unless / until we start some kind of insane security measures like metal detectors or body scanners at every school and mall and any other place you want to may want to go there is no way to know who may be next to you with a gun.

If you truly hate guns that much and never want to be near them... well, all I can say is good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina &#8211; Every state but IL has carry laws of one sort or another.  There have NEVER been a problem caused by it.</p>
<p>People who legally carry are responsible gun owners.  It&#8217;s the illegals you need to worry about.  We all need to worry about them.</p>
<p>Unless / until we start some kind of insane security measures like metal detectors or body scanners at every school and mall and any other place you want to may want to go there is no way to know who may be next to you with a gun.</p>
<p>If you truly hate guns that much and never want to be near them&#8230; well, all I can say is good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Copacetic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Copacetic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina, you state that this is &quot;NRA garbage&quot;, yet you offer no facts to back up your claim. The article gives verifiable facts. Where are yours?

Law abiding citizens own guns for many reasons, hunting, target shooting, competition, and defense. By the way, defense does not always mean killing.

You have probably already stood in line next to people with guns, whether criminals, police or outside of Illinois, citizens. The former is the only one you need to fear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina, you state that this is &#8220;NRA garbage&#8221;, yet you offer no facts to back up your claim. The article gives verifiable facts. Where are yours?</p>
<p>Law abiding citizens own guns for many reasons, hunting, target shooting, competition, and defense. By the way, defense does not always mean killing.</p>
<p>You have probably already stood in line next to people with guns, whether criminals, police or outside of Illinois, citizens. The former is the only one you need to fear.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 17:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical NRA garbage.  Guns kill people.  That is what most people get them for...to kill an intruder (defending oneself), as in the cases in Florida.  I&#039;m fine with you having your gun, I just don&#039;t want to be around when it causes harm.  So, I have a proposal.  Any firearm that is used in a murder, the person who owns the firearm is tried for the murder, unless they have reported the gun stolen.  That might make people think twice about allowing an eight year old to take a gun to school.  And I hope that we appeal concealed carry...I don&#039;t want to worry about whether the person in line next to me at the market is packing.  What about my rights to not be around a bunch of gun happy loony-tunes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical NRA garbage.  Guns kill people.  That is what most people get them for&#8230;to kill an intruder (defending oneself), as in the cases in Florida.  I&#8217;m fine with you having your gun, I just don&#8217;t want to be around when it causes harm.  So, I have a proposal.  Any firearm that is used in a murder, the person who owns the firearm is tried for the murder, unless they have reported the gun stolen.  That might make people think twice about allowing an eight year old to take a gun to school.  And I hope that we appeal concealed carry&#8230;I don&#8217;t want to worry about whether the person in line next to me at the market is packing.  What about my rights to not be around a bunch of gun happy loony-tunes?</p>
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		<title>By: John M Stassi</title>
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		<dc:creator>John M Stassi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 20:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right about one thing, Mr. Gentry:

The massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary was not about whether or not guns are easily available.

It was about whether or not child murder is ever morally justifiable.

Here is a view of that tragic event and its aftermath from that perspective:

During his speech
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/12/16/remarks-president-sandy-hook-interfaith-prayer-vigil
at a memorial service held on Monday evening, December 16, for the Newtown CT children and adults who were senselessly massacred by Adam Lanza, a mentally ill young man, President Obama consoled the victims&#039; families and friends with these words:

    I can only hope it helps for you to know that you’re not alone in your grief

and these:

    Newtown, you are not alone.

Obama knows whereof he speaks. Newtown is truly not the only town grieving for its heinously murdered children. It is joined in its grief by dozens of towns and villages in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia (and who knows where else) where Obama&#039;s drones and warriors have senselessly murdered hundreds of equally beautiful and innocent children.
 
Whereas Adam Lanza&#039;s deadly assault began and ended on December 14, 2012, Obama&#039;s drone assaults began on 23 January 2009, just days after his inauguration, with two assaults that killed 4 children
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2011/08/10/obama-2009-strikes/
and have continued since then with no end in sight.
 
With over 400 drone strikes ordered since he took office, Obama has murdered at least 200 children
http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/category/projects/drone-data/
 
Of these, 176 were killed in various poverty-stricken villages in Pakistan alone:

    Child Casualties As a Result of U.S. Drone Strikes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf8bnYF-WxE&amp;feature=youtu.be

On October 23, 2012, Joe Klein, a stalwart Obama supporter, admitted that Obama&#039;s drones were killing children and justified it by saying this:

    &quot;If it is misused, and there is a really major possibility of abuse if you have the wrong people running the government. But: the bottom line in the end is - whose 4-year-old gets killed? What we&#039;re doing is limiting the possibility that 4-year-olds here will get killed by indiscriminate acts of terror.&quot;
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/23/klein-drones-morning-joe

The President has never bothered to comment upon Joe Klein&#039;s cynical calculus of child murder, perhaps because the press has never bothered to demand that he do so. Not once during the recent presidential campaign were the candidates forced to confront this carnage and either justify or denounce it.
 
In our national silence about the crimes committed by Obama&#039;s drone attacks, aren&#039;t we all really complicit with them? Don&#039;t we all share the guilt? Aren&#039;t we all really Adam Lanza by proxy?
 
Lanza was severely mentally ill. What excuse can we offer to explain our silent complicity with child murder?

---- John M. Stassi, 17 December 2012 ---

SEE ALSO:

In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats

Barack Obama&#039;s tears for the children of Newtown are in stark contrast to his silence over the children murdered by his drones

by George Monbiot, The Guardian, Monday 17 December 2012 15.30 EST 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/us-killings-tragedies-pakistan-bug-splats</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right about one thing, Mr. Gentry:</p>
<p>The massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary was not about whether or not guns are easily available.</p>
<p>It was about whether or not child murder is ever morally justifiable.</p>
<p>Here is a view of that tragic event and its aftermath from that perspective:</p>
<p>During his speech<br />
<a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/12/16/remarks-president-sandy-hook-interfaith-prayer-vigil" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/12/16/remarks-president-sandy-hook-interfaith-prayer-vigil</a><br />
at a memorial service held on Monday evening, December 16, for the Newtown CT children and adults who were senselessly massacred by Adam Lanza, a mentally ill young man, President Obama consoled the victims&#8217; families and friends with these words:</p>
<p>    I can only hope it helps for you to know that you’re not alone in your grief</p>
<p>and these:</p>
<p>    Newtown, you are not alone.</p>
<p>Obama knows whereof he speaks. Newtown is truly not the only town grieving for its heinously murdered children. It is joined in its grief by dozens of towns and villages in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia (and who knows where else) where Obama&#8217;s drones and warriors have senselessly murdered hundreds of equally beautiful and innocent children.</p>
<p>Whereas Adam Lanza&#8217;s deadly assault began and ended on December 14, 2012, Obama&#8217;s drone assaults began on 23 January 2009, just days after his inauguration, with two assaults that killed 4 children<br />
<a href="http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2011/08/10/obama-2009-strikes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2011/08/10/obama-2009-strikes/</a><br />
and have continued since then with no end in sight.</p>
<p>With over 400 drone strikes ordered since he took office, Obama has murdered at least 200 children<br />
<a href="http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/category/projects/drone-data/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/category/projects/drone-data/</a></p>
<p>Of these, 176 were killed in various poverty-stricken villages in Pakistan alone:</p>
<p>    Child Casualties As a Result of U.S. Drone Strikes<br />
    <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf8bnYF-WxE&amp;feature=youtu.be" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf8bnYF-WxE&amp;feature=youtu.be</a></p>
<p>On October 23, 2012, Joe Klein, a stalwart Obama supporter, admitted that Obama&#8217;s drones were killing children and justified it by saying this:</p>
<p>    &#8220;If it is misused, and there is a really major possibility of abuse if you have the wrong people running the government. But: the bottom line in the end is &#8211; whose 4-year-old gets killed? What we&#8217;re doing is limiting the possibility that 4-year-olds here will get killed by indiscriminate acts of terror.&#8221;<br />
    <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/23/klein-drones-morning-joe" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/23/klein-drones-morning-joe</a></p>
<p>The President has never bothered to comment upon Joe Klein&#8217;s cynical calculus of child murder, perhaps because the press has never bothered to demand that he do so. Not once during the recent presidential campaign were the candidates forced to confront this carnage and either justify or denounce it.</p>
<p>In our national silence about the crimes committed by Obama&#8217;s drone attacks, aren&#8217;t we all really complicit with them? Don&#8217;t we all share the guilt? Aren&#8217;t we all really Adam Lanza by proxy?</p>
<p>Lanza was severely mentally ill. What excuse can we offer to explain our silent complicity with child murder?</p>
<p>&#8212;- John M. Stassi, 17 December 2012 &#8212;</p>
<p>SEE ALSO:</p>
<p>In the US, mass child killings are tragedies. In Pakistan, mere bug splats</p>
<p>Barack Obama&#8217;s tears for the children of Newtown are in stark contrast to his silence over the children murdered by his drones</p>
<p>by George Monbiot, The Guardian, Monday 17 December 2012 15.30 EST </p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/us-killings-tragedies-pakistan-bug-splats" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/us-killings-tragedies-pakistan-bug-splats</a></p>
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		<title>By: ilbob</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilbob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given she is now dead, it is unlikely we will ever know why she did not have her firearms secured, or how her son got access to them. 

Very little about this case is clear right now, and a lot of it may never be known with any certainty. No doubt there will be a lot of uninformed speculation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given she is now dead, it is unlikely we will ever know why she did not have her firearms secured, or how her son got access to them. </p>
<p>Very little about this case is clear right now, and a lot of it may never be known with any certainty. No doubt there will be a lot of uninformed speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we ban anything, we should ban idiots.  The more I learn of the depth of Adam Lanza&#039;s mental illness, the more I question his mothers intelligence.

How could she introduce firearms around a kid like that?  How could she then apparently leave them laying around?  From the information released thusfar, Adam Lanza&#039;s problems were getting worse.  His mother was trying to committ him, which may have triggered his rampage.    

Yet she still thought it was a goood idea to have firearms laying around????

Namcy Lanza was murdered in her bed, still in her pajamas.  We can assume that her guns and ammunition were not locked up...the kid got to both and murdered her. 

I am all for a persons right to protect themselves, with a firearm if they deem it necessary.  But come on!  Common sense should have told her that unsecured guns around her mentally-ill son was NOT a good idea.

It is too bad she didn&#039;t survive.  If for no other reason, I would be fascinated to hear her explanation or reasons for introducing guns at this critical juncture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we ban anything, we should ban idiots.  The more I learn of the depth of Adam Lanza&#8217;s mental illness, the more I question his mothers intelligence.</p>
<p>How could she introduce firearms around a kid like that?  How could she then apparently leave them laying around?  From the information released thusfar, Adam Lanza&#8217;s problems were getting worse.  His mother was trying to committ him, which may have triggered his rampage.    </p>
<p>Yet she still thought it was a goood idea to have firearms laying around????</p>
<p>Namcy Lanza was murdered in her bed, still in her pajamas.  We can assume that her guns and ammunition were not locked up&#8230;the kid got to both and murdered her. </p>
<p>I am all for a persons right to protect themselves, with a firearm if they deem it necessary.  But come on!  Common sense should have told her that unsecured guns around her mentally-ill son was NOT a good idea.</p>
<p>It is too bad she didn&#8217;t survive.  If for no other reason, I would be fascinated to hear her explanation or reasons for introducing guns at this critical juncture.</p>
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